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Xephius
Posted: Saturday, January 16, 2010 2:53:28 PM
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So here is what I have:

Keling #8 CNC 4 Axis Kit
4 KL-4030 Stepper Controllers
4 KL23H286-20-8B 425oz Motors
1 C-10 Breakout Board
1 36V/8.8A Power Supply

C6 - Variable Speed Control Board
4 conductor 22AWG Shielded motor wire
6 Grounded body CB connectors
12x12x6 PVC Home Depot Enclosure
4 12v PC case fans
1 Solid State relay board (Custom)
1 contact closure to Keyboard device

X2 Mini-mill
CNC Fusion 3 Axis Ball screw conversion kit

The Plan:

My intention is to build a fully enclosed mill station with the ability to expand to a fully "Hossed" X2. I will be drafting and constructing a wheeled enclosure that will house the mill, controller, flood tank, and drive computer out of 1/2 inch ply. My goal is the enclosure be able to be wheeled through a standard front door in case I need to move it through something other than my garage door. I will be drawing up the enclosure in sketch-up and sharing it with everyone for input once I get the controller finished up. And that is where I could use some help at the moment.


I am running into some questions about how to properly wire up the C-10 to the KL-4030's and the motors. So the suggested diagram that I found here:

http://www.kelinginc.net/KL-4030Wiring.pdf

It suggests using the +5V off the separate power supply rather than from the C10 board. Is there a reason for this, or is it acceptable to pull the +5V from between "pin" 2 and 3 for the X axis? Or do I need to stick to the suggested wiring.

Second, I plan to use a e-stop button wired to the ENG/Enable pin on the power header using the E-Stop button found in the following link. Any reason that would not work?

http://www.kelinginc.net/CNCPackage.html

For the 4 axis drivers, I will use X, Y, Z, A (2-9) as suggested in the diagram. Pin 12 for Limit, Pin 13 for Home (All axis on same pin), and Pin 10 for probe. For all of these pins, the instructions are not clear if I should have the pins set for pull up or down. Clearly, I want to use pins 2-9 for output... :)

For the C6 board, can I use 17, GND and 16 for the control pins?
Pin 14 will be used for Flood coolant
Pin 1 will be used for air burst (later for the ATC)

Finally, the motor DIP setting on the 4030's is not suggested. The diagram shows the motors wired in Parallel, and the colors match the data sheet for the motors found here:

http://www.kelinginc.net/KL23H286-20-8B.pdf

Because the motor specs say in parallel, the current should be 2.8A, it appears that I should set the limit to 2.7A as the next step is 3A. Also, I plan to run the motors in full step mode. In half step mode I drop to 70% torque, but I am not sure if the increase in accuracy is worth the loss of power. I think Hoss runs mostly at 1/2 step, but I don't know what torque motors he runs.

Another questions is about grounding the shielded wire for the motors, stop switches and probe wire. Am using the 4 pin "CB" style metal connectors, this allows me to ground the shield to the connector. I plan to have the connectors all come out of the PVC box through an aluminum plate that is grounded to the 36V power supply, that is in turn grounded to the wall. This should allow all the noise/RF picked up by the motor wires, limit/home switches and probe wire to be grounded out.

Two cooling fans will pull air out the top of the case, and the other two will pull air into it. I also have some very cool contact closure to key stroke. Now the really cool thing about this gizmo is that it is NOT USB.. This means that it connects to the PS2 style plugs and won't crap our when your USB driver eats it because windows is evil. I have about 15 of these things from my arcade days (along with a ton of buttons and switches), and Hoss, if you want one I am happy to send you one to tinker with. They are very stable and reliable.

Am I missing anything here?

John
Hoss
Posted: Saturday, January 16, 2010 4:18:02 PM
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Sounds like a good plan!
Use the 5V from the power supply as shown, the onboard supply would come from the parallel port
and most are actually only 3.3V.

heres a pic showing what i used on my c10's



Hoss attached the following image(s):
c10 cnc4pc wiring_628x768.jpg



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Hoss
Posted: Saturday, January 16, 2010 4:29:24 PM
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I run a 270 oz/in on the X and a 425 on the Y in 1/2 step mode with the KL-4030's.
Get tons of power for doing what's important, Milling.
The g540 is stuck at 1/10 microstepping, too weak for me.
1/2 step with these motors can push the cutters hard enough to stop the spindle motor,
don't think 1/10 would be able to do that even with bigger motors.
I set the 425 at 2.7 amps.
looking forward to seeing it all come together.
Hoss


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Xephius
Posted: Sunday, January 17, 2010 7:58:03 AM
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Hoss,

Thanks for the help.

I spent most of yesterday measuring and cutting the PVC box to house all the parts and mounting brackets. Individually the cuts are no big deal, but they all add up. The PVC can be brittle, so I had to take time with all the cuts. But the box is done.

Now I am moving on to the wiring and hope that will go faster. I am running shielded wire inside the box and outside. I don't know if it is really necessary, but I have spool of like 500 feet, so I may as well use it. I know it will cut down on noise from the switching power supply inside the box, and from ambient RF outside the box. As I understand this, it can considerably cut down miss-steps and motor cross talk from inductance. With these 425oz motors it really shouldn't be that big of a deal, they take a lot of power to move.

I have a question about the enable pins and unused motor controllers. If I don't have a motor attached to the A motor controller, do I need to disconnect power to it? Most motor controllers I have played with in the past don't like to have motors plugged in while they are powered up, I suspect that is the same with the Keling controllers. But what about when I am not using the 4th axis? If I don't even have a motor plugged in, do I need to disconnect power to the controller? I suppose I can wire up the enable pin to the breakout board, but that eats up a pin for each axis. Hoss, what is your solution?

Also, would you mind sharing the dimensions and details of your flood enclosure? I plan to start building mine shortly and having someplace to start would be helpful. Thanks!

John
Hoss
Posted: Sunday, January 17, 2010 11:40:12 AM
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Shielding is always good.
You don't have to cut power to the drivers with no motor, just dont try to plug
a motor in with power applied.
ive done it by mistake and the Kl-4030 is still working fine, but it killed my
Xylotex drivers when that happened.
I have a switch to cut power to all 6 drives together if I need to plug in/remove a motor.
If you want separate switches its up to you.
If you think it will be rare to use the 4th, a switch would be a good idea to cut down on heat buldup.
My enclosure is 42 x 55 x 24.
Hoss

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Xephius
Posted: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 1:08:42 PM
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Hoss,

Thanks for pointing the link out.. I have read that entire article, I just forgot about it. I have decided to build a minimal enclosure this first time around. If I end up needing larger mill space I will just upgrade to the RF-45. But I suspect for the vast majority of the projects I do, I will be fine with this amount of space. I can always build another enclosure if I am wrong and HOSS the mill.

The one thing I do need some measurements on is the size of the ATC3 (12 tool holder). I will buy the DVD shortly and begin that project, but I am doing my best to stay focused on the project at hand and not get distracted by the next 4. If you can give me the arm extension off the Z axis including the tool "ring" and its distance off the back, I would appreciate it. I just want to make sure I provide room for it.

I have most everything wired up, tonight I hope to finish the power supply and external switches. Tomorrow I will button it up and hope the parts from CNCFusion arrive. I wish I would have read the fine print... "Up to 2 weeks for delivery". Ah well, I would have futzed with my parts for that long trying to make my own. They have been very good about answering technical questions pre-install though.

Pics so far:





John
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Posted: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:03:53 AM
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Hoss,

I also intended to ask about the ATC3 and non-"Hossed" machines. Have you designed the ATC3 to work on non-modified machines as well as those with the modified spindle extension? I assume you have, I just wanted to double check.

Fusion CNC notified me that my kit has mailed out. I hope to have everything wrapped up over this weekend. Thanks for the support.

John
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Posted: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:15:12 PM
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The ATC DVD has a print with different measurements for the swingarm for a stock X2.
That's really the only difference necessary.
Hoss

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